AMA with Jeffrey Ladish. Wednesday 2/4 at 2:00 PM CT
Executive director of Palisade Research; studying AI loss of control risks.
data analysis
And don't you love it! Maybe we need to think about the non-logical paths data can follow. I don't program but do you ever put a bug in or supply bogus data just to see what happens? Be prepared for any outcome? And, AFTER we see what happens, choose our response.... Can someone actually have any Teal if they score 0% Orange, Amber, Red, and Magenta? Going through the scores of the Better Political Conversations quiz is fascinating. (reference: https://www.guidedtrack.com/programs/we0q1pq/run)
Now, this very well could have been someone running an experiment to test the scoring, or to try to get a sense of a friend or family member, but they did give a name where a lot of people leave that blank.
Their scores are:
Teal 55%
Green 45%
Orange 0%
Amber 0%
Red 0%
Magenta 0%Is it at all possible that someone could select every single response at Orange, Amber, Red, and Magenta as
False, wrong, or just doesn’t make sense
and have any actual Teal?Also interesting, I got an email from someone who thinks of himself as primarily Orange, but was surprised that his quiz results came out 0% Orange. He referenced his Meyers-Briggs results as a reference in support. Utterly fascinated, I’ve asked him to let me know what correlation he sees between the Integral levels and Meyers-Briggs, and I’ve asked him what statements at Orange would have had his quiz results come out accurate for him.
Each time I make a significant edit in the content of the project I make a note of the change in the google sheet where I’m keeping track of scores. Here are the averages of the currently 75 scores:
Amber 26%
Green 25%
Teal 21%
Red 12%
Orange 11%
Magenta 5%One blatant pattern I’m seeing is that high Green scores ALWAYS pair with a high score in Amber, and that people who have that pairing always score exceedingly low in Red and quite low in Orange.
My epic-view future version of the project intends show people their scores on all lines simultaneously, so they can see where they’re sturdy in the levels they’re wanting to bring more of in other areas of life.... Can someone actually have any Teal if they score 0% Orange, Amber, Red, and Magenta? Going through the scores of the Better Political Conversations quiz is fascinating. (reference: https://www.guidedtrack.com/programs/we0q1pq/run)
Now, this very well could have been someone running an experiment to test the scoring, or to try to get a sense of a friend or family member, but they did give a name where a lot of people leave that blank.
Their scores are:
Teal 55%
Green 45%
Orange 0%
Amber 0%
Red 0%
Magenta 0%Is it at all possible that someone could select every single response at Orange, Amber, Red, and Magenta as
False, wrong, or just doesn’t make sense
and have any actual Teal?Also interesting, I got an email from someone who thinks of himself as primarily Orange, but was surprised that his quiz results came out 0% Orange. He referenced his Meyers-Briggs results as a reference in support. Utterly fascinated, I’ve asked him to let me know what correlation he sees between the Integral levels and Meyers-Briggs, and I’ve asked him what statements at Orange would have had his quiz results come out accurate for him.
Each time I make a significant edit in the content of the project I make a note of the change in the google sheet where I’m keeping track of scores. Here are the averages of the currently 75 scores:
Amber 26%
Green 25%
Teal 21%
Red 12%
Orange 11%
Magenta 5%One blatant pattern I’m seeing is that high Green scores ALWAYS pair with a high score in Amber, and that people who have that pairing always score exceedingly low in Red and quite low in Orange.
Tech guy thinks it’s possible! I just did a manual test drive of this teal-adjusted scoring system with the results of 18 people I know, and here’s the average: Average of original 18 scores: Teal 26% Amber 25% Green 24% Red 12% Orange 10% Magenta 6% Average of same 18... Can someone actually have any Teal if they score 0% Orange, Amber, Red, and Magenta? Going through the scores of the Better Political Conversations quiz is fascinating. (reference: https://www.guidedtrack.com/programs/we0q1pq/run)
Now, this very well could have been someone running an experiment to test the scoring, or to try to get a sense of a friend or family member, but they did give a name where a lot of people leave that blank.
Their scores are:
Teal 55%
Green 45%
Orange 0%
Amber 0%
Red 0%
Magenta 0%Is it at all possible that someone could select every single response at Orange, Amber, Red, and Magenta as
False, wrong, or just doesn’t make sense
and have any actual Teal?Also interesting, I got an email from someone who thinks of himself as primarily Orange, but was surprised that his quiz results came out 0% Orange. He referenced his Meyers-Briggs results as a reference in support. Utterly fascinated, I’ve asked him to let me know what correlation he sees between the Integral levels and Meyers-Briggs, and I’ve asked him what statements at Orange would have had his quiz results come out accurate for him.
Each time I make a significant edit in the content of the project I make a note of the change in the google sheet where I’m keeping track of scores. Here are the averages of the currently 75 scores:
Amber 26%
Green 25%
Teal 21%
Red 12%
Orange 11%
Magenta 5%One blatant pattern I’m seeing is that high Green scores ALWAYS pair with a high score in Amber, and that people who have that pairing always score exceedingly low in Red and quite low in Orange.
I just test drove a version of this scoring system on my own results, and it’s a MASSIVE difference. What I did was every color I selected as "false, wrong, or just doesn’t make sense" I docked 3 points off the Teal answer for that question (the max points Teal can get on any... Reproductive rights. I have a really hard time understanding why folks support stripping reproductive rights before we’ve tackled better support for children and families in the US.
From my perspective, the better we can support children, mothers, and families more broadly, the less we’ll actually have unplanned pregnancies.
It just seems wise to really take care of those that are alive right now and try to improve their lives.
yeah i think there’s a lot research that’s gone into this, and idk if there’s a consensus yet but i’d love to get a summary. I like what Hans Rosling (Factfulness, https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$chart-type=bubbles&url=v2) and Max Rose https://ourworldindata.org/ do in terms of... The Relateful Company should embrace more job titles. We’re under-appreciating orange.
We’ve included the green critiques, like the classic:
What gets measured gets managed — even when it’s pointless to measure and manage it, and even if it harms the purpose of the organisation to do so
- V. F. Ridgway, 1956But we need to embrace more healthy competition, striving for excellence, even rankings.
one way we can do this is to make more liberal use of titles, and brag on people. @Valerie Daniel is the MANAGING DIRECTOR, and we should have her listed as such in emails and things
What else is healthy orange and how can we transclude it?
What do we already do that is already healthy orange?I want to get a bit concrete here. There is a bunch of work about experiment / survey / psychometric testing design that has all kinds of tools that seem useful here. I’m in no way an expert here, or even barely experienced.... Left Media Bias bigger than i realized. No matter how you measure (print media, online, page views, paid subscribers, followers, etc) US media leans heavily left, to an extent that surprised me. Most ways I tried back-of-the napkin math have right + right-leaning news sources being below 10%… and even the most generous assessments that include lost of neutral/other outlets still have left + left-leaning above 50% (meaning 5:1 liberal to conservative is the lowest estimate i could find).
Context
The US is pretty evenly split in terms of the two major parties:
> 45% of U.S. adults Republican-ish, 44% Democrat-ish Gallup 2022Some sources
- Allsides Here’s Allsides review
their media bias on Allsides.com here’s the site’s own assessment of its own bias - Googling the top 25 most-subscribed news channels in the United States, and
- Even the more left leaning LLMS can’t help but point out this as a fact of modern media.
Takeaways
First, this gives me empathy for Republicans. Many American conservatives feel like the underdog, regardless of how much power or influence they yield, because in a very real way, they’re not represented in a substantial part of the public narrative making machine—the media—proportionally. The perception of bias is true despite their being popular conservative outlets with sizable audiences, and as a result the left has influence on public opinion.Impact on Public Trust (but also how come Republicans aren’t better at getting media subscribers?)
Second, how come Republicans, who are stereotypically thought of us as having more business acumen or money or something, are getting so handily beaten in the media?
Third, I try not to get involved in politics because I’m scared of loosing connection or turning people off of the value of relatefulness because of my takes, even if they’re nuanced. We’re very good at otherizing people and forgetting to look at nuances. I’m certain I lack nuance. I don’t want a difference of political opinion to get in the way of our connecting. I started writing up this for the TTT email (which I ended up deciding not to send) but I realized others are deeply esconced in politics and way smarter and more educated in the field than I, so I decided to not go there. But here on uptrusting.com I think it’s a cool opporutnity to test; could also be a nice road to empathy, or self-empathy, depending on our identifications.
right!? I was suuuuper surprised. This was my crappy research numbers from the google search